Flag for Comment 4471118 (deleted)
| Flagger | Content Author | Content | Reason | Flag Created | Resolved by | Resolution |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| dave_holland | roby | Deleted Comment |
inappropriate |
Apr. 28, 2020 17:22:49 +0000 | bouteloua |
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Highly offensive, adds nothing to the conversation, by a person on the other side of the world whose first language is not even English, and is illegal to shoot unrecognised species in this county as some of them are protected! It would do no harm to the conversation to just remove the comment plz
We don't have the ability to remove the comment, only to hide it. And I'm not sure it warrants hiding.
Another user's ability or inability to speak English is only relevant to trying to understand what in fact they are trying to say. Where a user is located is not relevant. This is an international platform, and all users are entitled to identify or comment on any observation, so long as they follow the rules.
And if it is illegal to shoot an unrecognized species, should your problem not be with the observation, rather than the comment? It appears the commenter is attempting to use sarcasm to highlight exactly this concern. Humour may not translate well, and may not be shared or understood by all, but it's not inappropriate.
I understand all of that, but that is an R rated comment and this is a family show. Some of the top identifying profiles here in NZ are kids even! There is at least one 12 year old doing thousands of IDs each a month and this site is used by schools all over NZ. If it was an adults only site no problem, or if the comment added anything to the conversation, no problem (note that I am not critical of the "rape" statements in that discussion, as they are factual and adding to the conversation). Neither is that statement humorous in anyway. Please remember that we in NZ have just come out of our worst ever mass shooting event which scarred our nation, put a permenant blot on our record of being a nice safe place, and which radically changed our gun laws. I don't want to have to point it out to other top users of our site who will also then flag it, I shouldn't have to, it is just not the sort of thing we want on our nice friendly site. If you could just hide it that would be great please.
And no it's the obs that is the problem, it is completely legal to shoot the species (it is a hybrid of two) observed in that obs. It is others that are illegal to shoot (rare native ducks) and the statement in case instructs to kill without IDing...
I do realize the trauma of a mass shooting. Canada just had it's worst one ever, and most people in my area are within a degree or two of one or more of the victims. And yet, I do not find the comment alarming. In any event, our policy is "Comments should only be hidden if they are insulting, obscene, hate speech, or clearly spam."
Other curators may disagree, but I think it's fair to tell you, with the utmost respect for your opinion, I won't be the one to hide it.
I think I speak for all the curators, though, when I suggest that one flag for discussion is quite enough, so please direct your "top users" here, rather than trying to flood us with flags. I'll leave this flag open for that purpose.
This sort of comment really strikes me as highly inappropriate given its wording. I would be much more comfortable with this being passed on to help@inaturalist.org (along with any relevant context that you may be aware of that we wouldn't be). Also, as it's worded here, this falls very close to several issues involving comments/posts on social media that resulted in police attention around my area (and if that were the case, it would be significantly more pressing than what we hide comments for).
Hey @reinderw @mark_smale @kaipatiki_naturewatch @wild_wind @arnim @wild_wind @skipperdogman @chrise @robert_briggs hey this isn't an ID issue but would you all mind taking a quick look at the comment on that duck obs that I have flagged as it is highly inappropriate. I think it needs hiding and the curator wants more opinions. Thanks :)
That comment is absolutely not acceptable in so many ways. I've been meaning to ask the person if they'll remove it. Do they know it's flagged? Maybe they'll take it away if someone tells them? Even if they're being sarcastic, it's disturbing that anyone would find killing indiscriminately a subject for sarcasm. I'm amazed, and very disappointed, that iNaturalist supports this.
The commentary on the indicated persons profile is... quite disjoint. Agree the flagged omment is more than tasteless.
Yeah, it's not very PC and I fully agree with the flag on it.
The statement is entirely not true, I'm sure you've all heard of the Takahe incident with a Pukeko culling a few years back.
It's not really something that should be said publicly and can be seen as disturbing to some. "...kill without knowing who the victim is" is just a bit... gun violence like.
It's not something was necessary and doesn't add the the discussion as all. Even if it was meant as a joke, it's not something we should have in the iNat community.
Hallo !
Isn't it acceptable to kill a creature without knowing the species?
In New Zealand where that obs is made there are some rare native ducks that are protected by law and there are introduced ducks (and some more common native ducks) that you are allowed to shoot. Naturally you need to be able to identify that you are not shooting one of the rare protected native ducks... Also some species have bag limits so again if you do not identify first you can be breaking the law...
And in general, no of course it's not okay to kill a creature without knowing it's species! If you can't identify it how do you know that you are not killing one of the last breeding pair of its kind?!
This article shows the importance of making sure you know what you're looking at.
https://www.stuff.co.nz/environment/71319211/critically-endangered-takahe-shot-in-case-of-mistaken-identity
And ones like these show the importance of knowing basic NZ species.
https://www.stuff.co.nz/timaru-herald/news/88066972/critically-endangered-blackbilled-gull-shot-with-arrow-in-timaru
https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/new-zealand/2019/02/images-show-men-suspected-of-shooting-most-endangered-gull-in-rotorua.html
I didn't mean to offend anyone
For me iNaturalist is an application for wildlife research, monitoring and biodiversity conservation
Posting photos with creatures killed on iNaturalist or Ornitho.ch or Ornitho.it or other sites is unacceptable.
Why not create an application for killed animals?
If you are looking for collaboration to know the state of biodiversity, I can help you, otherwise I will stop.
For me there are no problems.
Let me know what you think, please.
Thank you all
I’m sorry, my English is ….
Maybe the comment could be edited? I think language might be the problem here. The comment sounds bad in English, like what is being said is 'One should kill people without knowing who they are' which is roughly this in Italian (Google translate used) 'È necessario uccidere le persone senza sapere chi sono'. I am sure this is not what you meant, @roby!
I interpret the comment as being a criticism of the shooter for having shot the duck, and for then taking a photo of it and putting it here. I think the intention behind the comment is more like this: ' If you care enough about the duck to identify it, why are you killing it?'
By the time I wrote my comment roby had responded here, so all is good and I have replaced it with this. Thanks for your explanation @roby
I see that @roby has edited this comment to address the concerns of the community. I still think you might wish to edit your comment to say "unacceptable" rather than "acceptable" to avoid further misinterpretation.
@roby - you might also want to keep in mind the iNaturalist Community Guidelines that state: "Images of dead or dismembered animals. While we do not endorse killing or fatally injuring animals just for the sake of contributing to iNaturalist, as naturalists we all encounter such scenes in our explorations, for example in the form of road kill and recent predation events (including predation by humans). While these kinds of images can be disturbing for some people, they can also be interesting, and provide the same kind of scientifically relevant occurrence data as an image of a living creature. Very often they demonstrate some aspect of the life history of the organisms involved, or may even provide information relevant to the conservation of the organism in question."
The original description of this observation suggests that the observer was not the shooter.
I think it's an awkwardly worded translated criticism of the fact that the maker of the observation says the shooter of the (dead) duck thought it was something else before shooting it, and it turns out to be something different.